My new EMP 9mm

Discussion in 'Springfield Armory EMP' started by DennisE, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. DennisE

    DennisE New Member

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    I bought one with G-10 grips last week. I had the trigger lightened to 3.5 #s and the ramp polished. It feeds FMJ and HP ammo reliable, is accurate and comfortable in my hand. Haven't shoot it enough yet but I'm sure it'll be my CCW. Very happy with it,

    Anyone else here shoot the EMP 9mm?
     
  2. Willieboy

    Willieboy Angry Old White Guy

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    Congratulations on your new gun Dennis. In that you have lightened the trigger, you might have significant legal exposure if you used your gun in what was ruled a bad shooting. Prosecutors or have been known consider such modifications as aggravating circumstances and enhanced the charges, and the sentence. I read about one guy who had ten years added to his sentence because his gun had been modified.
     

  3. DennisE

    DennisE New Member

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    True but a poor trigger can reduce accuracy and in a time of need threaten your well being and that of innocent bystanders!
     
  4. Balota

    Balota Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You're both right. We each need to decide what we carry based on our personal risk profile. There is legal risk in carrying a modified gun. There is legal risk in missing any shot fired in self defense. We each need to consider all aspects when we decide.
     
  5. Willieboy

    Willieboy Angry Old White Guy

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    It may be the case each state has a specific trigger weight and a trigger must not be adjusted to a lighter weight. I'm unclear as to how it all works, but thought the OP should be aware so he can check it or if he wishes.
     
  6. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    Once you wind up in court, the law gets real funny. Not haha funny, but... "Did somebody put something in my drink?" funny.
     
  7. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    Anyway, the gun I always carry when I'm just spending the day out in the desert has a hellacious trigger. AD with it is not possible - I practice with it a couple of times a month.I compete with guns with very light triggers, and I am quite expert with them, but I occasionally fire unintentionally when the person standing next to me fires. I've seen international class shooters do that too.
     
  8. Willieboy

    Willieboy Angry Old White Guy

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    I wonder if one could have the trigger smoothed, but not lightened without running afoul of the law. One could argue the smoother trigger enhanced accuracy and thereby protected unintended targets.

    Anyway, the guns I carry are all Glocks and their trigger are fine as they are, for me.
     
  9. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    Generally, anything that requires explaining will get you in trouble. Remember Columbo? Every time anybody started explaining something you knew they were guilty.

    You want to be able to say:

    I bought the gun new from an authorized dealer.

    I sent the gun to the manufacturer every year to make sure it was always in perfect working order. Here is the statement that the gun is within factory specifications, signed by a factory representative.

    I fired in self defense, fearing for my life.
     
  10. Geezer

    Geezer New Member

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    I have seen this claim made over and over but have never seen anything to back up the claims. If you have any evidence of this, please post links so we can be more informed.
     
  11. DennisE

    DennisE New Member

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    in many shooting incidents only the first shot counts because the one shot is out of the fight. So it's obviously important to make that shot count. A good trigger is part of the math to make that happen,
     
  12. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    Again, I will defer to Bill Jordan as the all time expert on the subject of winning gunfights.
     
  13. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    Geezer's got his dander up! I really think that specifics about the hardware are considered of little importance. It's all to do with what witnesses saw and what you say. If everything agrees, you get your pass. No lawyer will let you say much more than "yes", "no". If you choose to ignore your lawyer and start giving a lecture about the fine points of shooting people, you're dead meat.
     
  14. DennisE

    DennisE New Member

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    Besides all of the previous pontifications, the point is my new EMP 9mm is a joy to shoot at the range with a 3.5# trigger!
     
  15. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    There's more popes here than in Rome, but fewer than at THR.
     
  16. Willieboy

    Willieboy Angry Old White Guy

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    Geezer, I don't remember where the specific incident took place I don't remember where I read it. I do remember the shooter was indited and the prosecutor "enhanced" the charge because the gun had been modified. The shooter was convicted and ten years added to his sentence. This is what motivated me to pass it along to the OP, for whatever it was worth, to be heeded or ignored, whichever.

    Perhaps all the claims you've heard are out there because this is happening. Maybe, there is fire where there is smoke. I don't know, but I will err on the side of caution and not give a zealous prosecutor the opportunity to hit me with the sticks I handed him.

    DennisE, I'm sorry for distracting from the purpose of your post. I've been considering an EMP also as I like simple and concealable guns. However, for me, the ambi-safety will have to go, enhanced charges or not.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2015
  17. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    Don't feel bad, derailing OP's is standard practice here.
     
  18. Willieboy

    Willieboy Angry Old White Guy

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    Okay. I'm over it now.
     
  19. DennisE

    DennisE New Member

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    I'm right handed so the ambi adds little unless I have to draw and shoot with my left hand. It does make it easy to check the safety when CCWing, however it also makes it easier to accidently knock the safety off. All in all I'd rather not have it.
     
  20. pokute

    pokute Sincere as a $5 funeral

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    The ambi safeties invariably have competition style tabs (correctly called the "thumb piece"), which are, as you say, easy to nudge. The original GI safety was easy to operate intentionally, and very unlikely to be "snicked off" accidentally, especially when correctly fitted. The designer of the Detonics pistol would reshape the safety tab to GI configuration on every Detonics that he could get his hands on after he licensed it. Why Colt changed the shape on the commercial pistol in 1949 is a mystery.

    I used big, wide thumb safeties for a long time, but after finding a supply of WWII GI safeties, I found I preferred the tiny tab. Jim Hoag put Swensen ambi safeties on all his guns, and it stuck.