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I dropped off my emp champ 40 off at JoJo’s here in CT.. not sending back to SA. He’s the best in CT and said not to worry. They make them tight and that it’s unfortunate they jam. His reliability package will have it running like a hot rod. Made me feel better and he also stated that The EMP is a really good gun. I did take it out back a few times this summer and ran another 500 thru it. When it shoots, it’s a fantastic gun. Hopefully I can give another update in a month or so.

Interested to see how it turns out. I agree that the EMP is a really good gun. I just never thought that it would be finicky about FMJ ammo. I plan on running some of the same troublesome PMC ammo through my 3" EMP, and see if I have the same trouble...

 

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I have been running the WWbox ammo lately because Wallymart has it on "sale ". LOL

I don't blame ya there. At a little over 18 cents per round, that is a good buy. Thats down around 5 cents, or so, per round, since about a year ago.

 

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I sent my new CCC in for repairs due to failure to feed issues. I couldn't shoot the gun at all. It would FTF every other shot almost. I received an email from Springfield it is on it's way back to me. Here is what they did

RECUT BARREL RAMP, POLISHED BARREL RAMP, ADJUSTED EXTRACTOR, REPLACED EJECTOR PIN AND PINNED EJECTOR THEN SAFETY CHECKED/TESTED

I am hopeful but after reading so many responses from others I will reserve judgement until I can shoot it for a while.

I will let you know how it goes

If you check out one of my posts on the third page of this thread, I posted what Springfield did to my gun, the first time it was returned to them. It looks like they performed basically the same work on yours that they did on mine. The second trip back, they throated the barrel a bit. The third time, all they did was run at least a hundred rounds through it, without malfunction.

I really believe that it is just an ammo issue, at this point, as I didn't have any issues with Winchester White Box. I plan on trying the troublesome PMC Bronze 115 grain FMJ ammo in my new 3" EMP, and see how it compares. If I have the same issues, I will contact Springfield and see what they want to do. Hopefully you will have luck with their modifications.

immo- As of now, I will only be running Winchester White Box ammo through this gun. I bought the gun to plink with, not to carry. If the PMC stuff won't run reliably, I just won't mess with it in this gun anymore...

 

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It looks like the length of the bullet would be almost if not more important. I know there are differences. Something to look at.

I suppose that is possible, but I don't think that is the case, in my situation. With the latest failures to go all the way into battery with PMC, the rear of the slide just needed a small tap, for the round to finish chambering, and the slide to close. Are you referring to the length of the projectile, or the entire bullet itself?

 

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This is how the Winchester white box compares to the PMC Bronze- a live round versus a fired round. You can see that the PMC is definitely around a thousandth, or so, bigger. I'm sure that has to make a difference with the EMP's tight chamber. Thoughts???

 

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I got my EMP4 CCC back today, and ran a hundred rounds through it. The first 50 were Winchester white box. The gun functioned flawlessly. The second 50 was the PMC Bronze again. I experienced 2 or 3 more failures to go all the way into battery.

We have pretty well decided that this gun just doesn't like the PMC fodder. You can see light scrapes, or rubbing marks on the shell case, where the rounds try to chamber. We used a black Sharpie, and colored a case. You could see where the black had scraped off the case, right at the top of the feed ramp, where it meets the throat of the barrel. Springfield has already opened up the throat of this barrel a bit, so I am curious to see how things measure out.

A buddy of mine is goin' to mic a live round of Winchester white box, and a once fired case. He is goin' to do the same the with the PMC Bronze. I'm curious to see how the rounds compare. I'm not sure how long it will take him to get around to measuring them, but when he does, I will post the findings here.

As I had suspected, when all else fails, stick with Winchester white box!

 

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As another update, I received shipping conformation that my CCC model is on it's way back again, and I should have it Friday. According to the invoice, no alterations were made to the gun this time. It says that they ran 100 rounds through it with no problems. I'm hoping that this gun just had growing pains while breaking in. I hope to shoot it this weekend, and see if it will run for me. I will post back and let you guys know it turned out...

 

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Well, it just so happens that my 3" EMP 9mm showed up at the gun shop today. Between me and the wife, we fired 101 rounds of Winchester white box 115 FMJ through it. The gun ran completely flawless for me. The wife fired 20 of these rounds, and had one failure to go all the way into battery. She hasn't shot much, so I will chalk it up to limp wristing. Regardless, I am totally happy with the functionality of this gun. What I am not happy about, right out of the box, is that the finish is coming off the slide stop. I'm apparently not having the best of luck with EMP's, at this point...

 

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I'm looking for one also None in my area of Florida. I would like to know how you like it and how its functioning for you.

Still can not find an EMP 4 in Nine for the wife. She has a LWC on order and its been a month.

I will post, as soon as I receive it, and get to shoot it. Funny thing, is that the place I ordered from only ships handguns Monday through Wednesday, and they are out of state, but only 2, or so, hours away. So, I have to wait until next week for it to get here. I registered for the free gear. It just seems weird to do that, and not even have the gun in my possession! But, today was the last day this year to purchase a gun, and take advantage of Springfield's free offer.

Oh well. Another 1911 added to the collection. Not a bad thing...

By the way, I have seen the gun you are looking for on Gun Broker. $799 is the cheapest I have seen it, which is a hell of a buy!

 

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I am entirely too impatient. I ordered the 3" EMP in 9mm today. I hope this one decides to run right out of the box...

 

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Sorry to hear for your delays, has to be frustrating. Hopefully it is right when you receive it back.

I stopped at the local gun shop tonight. We went in to the range and he took a rubber hammer, held the slide and tapped on the back of the grip and it dislodged. I said screw it and left it there. They have a master gunsmith there and he is going to go through it and get it right. I don't trust Springfield to fix it right after the hassle you have gone through. I trust Jeff the gunsmith to get it smooth and running like it should. May cost me $50-$75 but it will be worth it

Glad you got it unloaded! If that's all that it'll cost to get your gun runnin', it sounds like money well spent to me! Good luck, and again, keep us posted!

 

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This gun is the biggest P.O.S. I have ever bought in my life. I completely disassembled, buffed, cleaned and lubed it inside and the magazines feed lips also I buffed and cleaned. I now have a 9mm live rd jammed in the barrel that will not eject as the rail will not slide back to eject it. I have the safety on and now a live loaded gun in my house that is unusable. I called Springfield today and the lady said they have had No problems with these guns and I told her I am reading everywhere on the internet about the FTF issues and she acted like she had no idea. I was emailed a return label but how the hell can I return a live loaded gun to the manufacturer?

Again, sorry to hear about your troubles. I'm not sure of the best way to remove your live round, but definitely don't ship it back like that. Surely you can find a good way, or hopefully someone will have a good recommendation.

On the otherhand, I called Springfield today. They received my gun back on July 27th. They said that they called me on August 9th, but didn't leave a message, because my voicemail wasn't set up. So, here we are, 20 days later, and I haven't received an email, or even a letter. If they tried to call me again, I wasn't home when they did, and they didn't have my cell number at the time. So who knows how long it would have been, before I talked to them again, if I hadn't called today??!!

I was told that a few shooters ran over 100 rounds through the gun, and that they could not get the gun to malfunction. Needless to say, no further modifications were made to the gun by them. I let them know that I would be willing to accept the gun back one more time, and that I would try running Winchester white box through it, since that is generally what I plink with, although I haven't ran any of it through the gun yet.

They let me know that if I still wasn't happy with the gun, that we could then talk about replacing the gun, or even exchanging it for something else that I like. I asked if they could possibly smooth the action out some, or lighten the trigger a bit, before sending it back. The representative said that he would have someone look at it, but that it wouldn't be the custom shop. He also informed me that they are on a complete shut-down this week, and that it would be next week before the gun would ship back out.

Again, still playin' the waitin' game...

 

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I debated buying a Dan Wesson 01870 Bobtail in 9mm but chose this because of the savings and good things I have read, but now I am regretting it and wishing I would have went for the Dan Wesson instead. I have no confidence in this gun at all. It literally ftf's on 2 rounds at least on each mag and I tried all 3 mages several times with 3 different types of ammo. I also sat and did simulated "racking" sliding the rail back and forth close to 500 times to get it to wear in and no difference. I am going to call Springfield and request they make this right

My serial # is in the 57xxx's, so your gun is 5,000 or so newer than mine, in terms of frame production. Don't hesitate to contact them, and send it back. They should be very accomodating. Just be prepared to be patient, and potentially have to send it back more than once. Hopefully, that won't be the case, but it sure has been with mine. I have also read a lot of good things about Dan Wesson guns, but have never shot one. They are made here by CZ.

Good luck man. Keep us posted!

 

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I just purchased a CCC Emp 4 last Saturday. I cleaned it twice so far and ran 300 rds through it and have had so many ftf I lost count. I have the same issue where you have to push it with your thumb to get it to finish loading. I took it apart and buffed the rail and everywhere there is friction. I lubed it and no difference. I have no confidence in this gun and am extremely disappointed in it. After reading the comments I feel like this was a poor purchase. I will contact Springfield but it sounds like they are not fixing the issue and don't communicate well after reading the comments here.

Sorry to hear about your trouble. Out of curiousity, what are the first couple serial numbers on the frame of your gun? As far as customer service, Springfield always seems to get good marks for that, so I wouldn't be worried about that. Both times that my gun has shipped back, I have had a prompt email that included a tracking number, and also what they did to the gun.

I haven't called for any updates, so I'm sure that is why I haven't heard anything out of them, since they received it. I look at it like this... they will send it back when they are happy with it. I had hoped that they were happy with it, after the first two trips back, but apparently not. I'm kind of like you though, my confidence in this gun is lacking now, and that is not a good thing. I had a similar confidence issue with my Sig P938, but that was solved after one trip back to the manufacturer. In this case, lets hope that the third time is a charm...

 

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Thanks guys, for sharing how your guns are functioning. I'm always interested to hear about it.

As an update on my end, it has now been over four weeks since Springfield received the gun back, and I haven't heard a word. I'm almost ready to buy the 3" EMP, while I wait to get this one back...

 

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Well, have had the CCC for two weeks. Took it out the day i bought it. Right out of the case and loaded the mags with Blazer brass. First mag, two failed to chamber. Next two mags. No problem. The rest of the session one more failed to chamber.

Took it home and finally cleaned and lubed the gun.

Took it out yesterday. Shot remanufactured ammo -124 grain. Local company half hour away. Not a single problem. Put over 100 rounds through it. So far so good, and got my approval and confirmation from Springfield that my mags will be 8-12 weeks yesterday.

Sorry to hear that you had issues with your gun, right out of the box. But, you were still in the break-in period. I'm glad to hear that it has gotten better for you, and I hope that you contine to have good, reliable luck with it.

The only update that I can give for my situation, at this point, is that Springfield has had my gun for three weeks now, today. I haven't heard anything out of them, and this is the longest period of time that they have had the gun, out of the three times that I have sent it back to them. Either they are possibly experiencing more returned guns at this point in the year, or hopefully they are taking a closer look at the gun that I returned, like I was hoping for.

I still wouldn't mind to purchase a 3" EMP, but I haven't decided whether or not to pull the trigger on that yet...

 

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Well, I contacted Springfield this morning, and the gun is going back for the third time. I mentioned replacement, but wasn't offered it by them yet. I mentioned also smoothing out the action, and a trigger job, but the warranty only covers things that are wrong with the gun. Needless to say, I didn't try to argue with them. I just let them know my displeasure, and that if it doesn't run, after this trip back to them, that we can explore other options. I also mentioned that I would like the gun gone through with a fine-toothed comb this time. We will see what happens...

 

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I doubt they'd use the same number,probably just scrap it and send you another 1. But they'll probably not want to replace it so,you may have to ask. I'm sure if you'd say "I want a replacement 1 or a refund",that they'd realize you were very unhappy and do 1 or the other.

I'm thinking that if they want me to send the gun back again, that a full treatment from the custom shop shouldn't be too much to ask for, right? Such as a trigger job, etc.? If the gun still malfunctions after that, then maybe I should be looking to the replacement route? Just thinkin' outloud...

 

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My opinion is very simple. Replace the damn thing. I think you have been extremely patience and its now time for Springfield to stand behind their warranty. I would except nothing less.

I wouldn't even begin to know how replacing a firearm works, since I've never had to do it. I'm sure Springfield can tell me, but its ultimately up to them whether or not it needs/will be replaced. It makes me wonder if they destroy the gun, and issue you a new serial number, or make another new one, with the same number. ?? I'd be willing to bet that they will want me to send the gun back for a third time. If so, either the third time will be a charm, or I may have to explore other options...

 

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I got the gun back Tuesday the 11th, and just got around to shooting it tonight. I only had time to run 50 rounds of PMC Bronze 115 grain FMJ through it.

I experienced two malfunctions. One was a failure to chamber, where basically only the nose of the bullet made it into the barrel. I had to eject the magazine, and then rack the slide, to clear this malfunction. And the other, was another failure of the slide to go all the way into battery, and I just had to tap the rear of the slide, for it to finish chambering.

It will probably be a couple weeks now, before I am able to contact Springfield, again, by phone. I guess that I would like to start hearing your opinions, at this point. Like I previously mentioned, they opened up the barrel throat this time, but they weren't able to fire the particular ammo that I am currently running through it. I continue to send the same original magazine that I have been using, back with the gun.

Needless to say, I am pretty bummed, and I can't even get FMJ ammo to reliably run through this gun, even after 350 rounds of my own shooting. I haven't even tried to run defensive loads through the gun yet, but I see no reason to, at this point.