Interested to see how it turns out. I agree that the EMP is a really good gun. I just never thought that it would be finicky about FMJ ammo. I plan on running some of the same troublesome PMC ammo through my 3" EMP, and see if I have the same trouble...

After hearing the great reviews and talking to the owner of JoJo’s last week, I’m pretty confident it’ll run like a Ferrari! He was adamant that I not give up on it. We will see..

 

I dropped off my emp champ 40 off at JoJo’s here in CT.. not sending back to SA. He’s the best in CT and said not to worry. They make them tight and that it’s unfortunate they jam. His reliability package will have it running like a hot rod. Made me feel better and he also stated that The EMP is a really good gun. I did take it out back a few times this summer and ran another 500 thru it. When it shoots, it’s a fantastic gun. Hopefully I can give another update in a month or so.

Interested to see how it turns out. I agree that the EMP is a really good gun. I just never thought that it would be finicky about FMJ ammo. I plan on running some of the same troublesome PMC ammo through my 3" EMP, and see if I have the same trouble...

 

I dropped off my emp champ 40 off at JoJo’s here in CT.. not sending back to SA. He’s the best in CT and said not to worry. They make them tight and that it’s unfortunate they jam. His reliability package will have it running like a hot rod. Made me feel better and he also stated that The EMP is a really good gun. I did take it out back a few times this summer and ran another 500 thru it. When it shoots, it’s a fantastic gun. Hopefully I can give another update in a month or so.

 

I have been running the WWbox ammo lately because Wallymart has it on "sale ". LOL

I don't blame ya there. At a little over 18 cents per round, that is a good buy. Thats down around 5 cents, or so, per round, since about a year ago.

 

I have been running the WWbox ammo lately because Wallymart has it on "sale ". LOL

 

I sent my new CCC in for repairs due to failure to feed issues. I couldn't shoot the gun at all. It would FTF every other shot almost. I received an email from Springfield it is on it's way back to me. Here is what they did

RECUT BARREL RAMP, POLISHED BARREL RAMP, ADJUSTED EXTRACTOR, REPLACED EJECTOR PIN AND PINNED EJECTOR THEN SAFETY CHECKED/TESTED

I am hopeful but after reading so many responses from others I will reserve judgement until I can shoot it for a while.

I will let you know how it goes

If you check out one of my posts on the third page of this thread, I posted what Springfield did to my gun, the first time it was returned to them. It looks like they performed basically the same work on yours that they did on mine. The second trip back, they throated the barrel a bit. The third time, all they did was run at least a hundred rounds through it, without malfunction.

I really believe that it is just an ammo issue, at this point, as I didn't have any issues with Winchester White Box. I plan on trying the troublesome PMC Bronze 115 grain FMJ ammo in my new 3" EMP, and see how it compares. If I have the same issues, I will contact Springfield and see what they want to do. Hopefully you will have luck with their modifications.

immo- As of now, I will only be running Winchester White Box ammo through this gun. I bought the gun to plink with, not to carry. If the PMC stuff won't run reliably, I just won't mess with it in this gun anymore...

 

I suppose that is possible, but I don't think that is the case, in my situation. With the latest failures to go all the way into battery with PMC, the rear of the slide just needed a small tap, for the round to finish chambering, and the slide to close. Are you referring to the length of the projectile, or the entire bullet itself?

The whole bullet.

 

I sent my new CCC in for repairs due to failure to feed issues. I couldn't shoot the gun at all. It would FTF every other shot almost. I received an email from Springfield it is on it's way back to me. Here is what they did

RECUT BARREL RAMP, POLISHED BARREL RAMP, ADJUSTED EXTRACTOR, REPLACED EJECTOR PIN AND PINNED EJECTOR THEN SAFETY CHECKED/TESTED

I am hopeful but after reading so many responses from others I will reserve judgement until I can shoot it for a while.

I will let you know how it goes

 

It looks like the length of the bullet would be almost if not more important. I know there are differences. Something to look at.

I suppose that is possible, but I don't think that is the case, in my situation. With the latest failures to go all the way into battery with PMC, the rear of the slide just needed a small tap, for the round to finish chambering, and the slide to close. Are you referring to the length of the projectile, or the entire bullet itself?

 

I'd say it could be but like immo said,it could be the bullet,or a combination of the 2.

 

It looks like the length of the bullet would be almost if not more important. I know there are differences. Something to look at.

 

This is how the Winchester white box compares to the PMC Bronze- a live round versus a fired round. You can see that the PMC is definitely around a thousandth, or so, bigger. I'm sure that has to make a difference with the EMP's tight chamber. Thoughts???

 

I got my EMP4 CCC back today, and ran a hundred rounds through it. The first 50 were Winchester white box. The gun functioned flawlessly. The second 50 was the PMC Bronze again. I experienced 2 or 3 more failures to go all the way into battery.

We have pretty well decided that this gun just doesn't like the PMC fodder. You can see light scrapes, or rubbing marks on the shell case, where the rounds try to chamber. We used a black Sharpie, and colored a case. You could see where the black had scraped off the case, right at the top of the feed ramp, where it meets the throat of the barrel. Springfield has already opened up the throat of this barrel a bit, so I am curious to see how things measure out.

A buddy of mine is goin' to mic a live round of Winchester white box, and a once fired case. He is goin' to do the same the with the PMC Bronze. I'm curious to see how the rounds compare. I'm not sure how long it will take him to get around to measuring them, but when he does, I will post the findings here.

As I had suspected, when all else fails, stick with Winchester white box!

 

As another update, I received shipping conformation that my CCC model is on it's way back again, and I should have it Friday. According to the invoice, no alterations were made to the gun this time. It says that they ran 100 rounds through it with no problems. I'm hoping that this gun just had growing pains while breaking in. I hope to shoot it this weekend, and see if it will run for me. I will post back and let you guys know it turned out...

 

Well, it just so happens that my 3" EMP 9mm showed up at the gun shop today. Between me and the wife, we fired 101 rounds of Winchester white box 115 FMJ through it. The gun ran completely flawless for me. The wife fired 20 of these rounds, and had one failure to go all the way into battery. She hasn't shot much, so I will chalk it up to limp wristing. Regardless, I am totally happy with the functionality of this gun. What I am not happy about, right out of the box, is that the finish is coming off the slide stop. I'm apparently not having the best of luck with EMP's, at this point...

 

I'm looking for one also None in my area of Florida. I would like to know how you like it and how its functioning for you.

Still can not find an EMP 4 in Nine for the wife. She has a LWC on order and its been a month.

I will post, as soon as I receive it, and get to shoot it. Funny thing, is that the place I ordered from only ships handguns Monday through Wednesday, and they are out of state, but only 2, or so, hours away. So, I have to wait until next week for it to get here. I registered for the free gear. It just seems weird to do that, and not even have the gun in my possession! But, today was the last day this year to purchase a gun, and take advantage of Springfield's free offer.

Oh well. Another 1911 added to the collection. Not a bad thing...

By the way, I have seen the gun you are looking for on Gun Broker. $799 is the cheapest I have seen it, which is a hell of a buy!

 

I am entirely too impatient. I ordered the 3" EMP in 9mm today. I hope this one decides to run right out of the box...

I'm looking for one also None in my area of Florida. I would like to know how you like it and how its functioning for you.

Still can not find an EMP 4 in Nine for the wife. She has a LWC on order and its been a month.

 

I am entirely too impatient. I ordered the 3" EMP in 9mm today. I hope this one decides to run right out of the box...

 

Again, sorry to hear about your troubles. I'm not sure of the best way to remove your live round, but definitely don't ship it back like that. Surely you can find a good way, or hopefully someone will have a good recommendation.

On the otherhand, I called Springfield today. They received my gun back on July 27th. They said that they called me on August 9th, but didn't leave a message, because my voicemail wasn't set up. So, here we are, 20 days later, and I haven't received an email, or even a letter. If they tried to call me again, I wasn't home when they did, and they didn't have my cell number at the time. So who knows how long it would have been, before I talked to them again, if I hadn't called today??!!

I was told that a few shooters ran over 100 rounds through the gun, and that they could not get the gun to malfunction. Needless to say, no further modifications were made to the gun by them. I let them know that I would be willing to accept the gun back one more time, and that I would try running Winchester white box through it, since that is generally what I plink with, although I haven't ran any of it through the gun yet.

They let me know that if I still wasn't happy with the gun, that we could then talk about replacing the gun, or even exchanging it for something else that I like. I asked if they could possibly smooth the action out some, or lighten the trigger a bit, before sending it back. The representative said that he would have someone look at it, but that it wouldn't be the custom shop. He also informed me that they are on a complete shut-down this week, and that it would be next week before the gun would ship back out.

Again, still playin' the waitin' game...

Good luck to you. It is frustrating, I'm sure.

 

Sorry to hear for your delays, has to be frustrating. Hopefully it is right when you receive it back.

I stopped at the local gun shop tonight. We went in to the range and he took a rubber hammer, held the slide and tapped on the back of the grip and it dislodged. I said screw it and left it there. They have a master gunsmith there and he is going to go through it and get it right. I don't trust Springfield to fix it right after the hassle you have gone through. I trust Jeff the gunsmith to get it smooth and running like it should. May cost me $50-$75 but it will be worth it

Heck! I've had to do that exact same thing...5 times! Of course, all of my issues were with my own hand loads. Any and all factory ammo has run thru mine (not the CCC model, but the 4" Match Champion) without a hiccup.
The rounds that stuck in my EMP all fit into a go/no-go cartridge checker die, and they all cycled thru any of up to 10 other 9mm pistols. Only the EMP had/has a chamber so tight, that it didn't like any of my correctly (?) sized hand loads. I ended up buying an undersized sizing die...and all my problems went away.
I'm glad you got yours freed up. I think that the chambers are too tight on these models. Your smith should figure that out and get you running perfectly.

 

Sorry to hear for your delays, has to be frustrating. Hopefully it is right when you receive it back.

I stopped at the local gun shop tonight. We went in to the range and he took a rubber hammer, held the slide and tapped on the back of the grip and it dislodged. I said screw it and left it there. They have a master gunsmith there and he is going to go through it and get it right. I don't trust Springfield to fix it right after the hassle you have gone through. I trust Jeff the gunsmith to get it smooth and running like it should. May cost me $50-$75 but it will be worth it

Glad you got it unloaded! If that's all that it'll cost to get your gun runnin', it sounds like money well spent to me! Good luck, and again, keep us posted!

 

Again, sorry to hear about your troubles. I'm not sure of the best way to remove your live round, but definitely don't ship it back like that. Surely you can find a good way, or hopefully someone will have a good recommendation.

On the otherhand, I called Springfield today. They received my gun back on July 27th. They said that they called me on August 9th, but didn't leave a message, because my voicemail wasn't set up. So, here we are, 20 days later, and I haven't received an email, or even a letter. If they tried to call me again, I wasn't home when they did, and they didn't have my cell number at the time. So who knows how long it would have been, before I talked to them again, if I hadn't called today??!!

I was told that a few shooters ran over 100 rounds through the gun, and that they could not get the gun to malfunction. Needless to say, no further modifications were made to the gun by them. I let them know that I would be willing to accept the gun back one more time, and that I would try running Winchester white box through it, since that is generally what I plink with, although I haven't ran any of it through the gun yet.

They let me know that if I still wasn't happy with the gun, that we could then talk about replacing the gun, or even exchanging it for something else that I like. I asked if they could possibly smooth the action out some, or lighten the trigger a bit, before sending it back. The representative said that he would have someone look at it, but that it wouldn't be the custom shop. He also informed me that they are on a complete shut-down this week, and that it would be next week before the gun would ship back out.

Again, still playin' the waitin' game...

Sorry to hear for your delays, has to be frustrating. Hopefully it is right when you receive it back.

I stopped at the local gun shop tonight. We went in to the range and he took a rubber hammer, held the slide and tapped on the back of the grip and it dislodged. I said screw it and left it there. They have a master gunsmith there and he is going to go through it and get it right. I don't trust Springfield to fix it right after the hassle you have gone through. I trust Jeff the gunsmith to get it smooth and running like it should. May cost me $50-$75 but it will be worth it

 

This gun is the biggest P.O.S. I have ever bought in my life. I completely disassembled, buffed, cleaned and lubed it inside and the magazines feed lips also I buffed and cleaned. I now have a 9mm live rd jammed in the barrel that will not eject as the rail will not slide back to eject it. I have the safety on and now a live loaded gun in my house that is unusable. I called Springfield today and the lady said they have had No problems with these guns and I told her I am reading everywhere on the internet about the FTF issues and she acted like she had no idea. I was emailed a return label but how the hell can I return a live loaded gun to the manufacturer?

Again, sorry to hear about your troubles. I'm not sure of the best way to remove your live round, but definitely don't ship it back like that. Surely you can find a good way, or hopefully someone will have a good recommendation.

On the otherhand, I called Springfield today. They received my gun back on July 27th. They said that they called me on August 9th, but didn't leave a message, because my voicemail wasn't set up. So, here we are, 20 days later, and I haven't received an email, or even a letter. If they tried to call me again, I wasn't home when they did, and they didn't have my cell number at the time. So who knows how long it would have been, before I talked to them again, if I hadn't called today??!!

I was told that a few shooters ran over 100 rounds through the gun, and that they could not get the gun to malfunction. Needless to say, no further modifications were made to the gun by them. I let them know that I would be willing to accept the gun back one more time, and that I would try running Winchester white box through it, since that is generally what I plink with, although I haven't ran any of it through the gun yet.

They let me know that if I still wasn't happy with the gun, that we could then talk about replacing the gun, or even exchanging it for something else that I like. I asked if they could possibly smooth the action out some, or lighten the trigger a bit, before sending it back. The representative said that he would have someone look at it, but that it wouldn't be the custom shop. He also informed me that they are on a complete shut-down this week, and that it would be next week before the gun would ship back out.

Again, still playin' the waitin' game...

 

My serial # is in the 57xxx's, so your gun is 5,000 or so newer than mine, in terms of frame production. Don't hesitate to contact them, and send it back. They should be very accomodating. Just be prepared to be patient, and potentially have to send it back more than once. Hopefully, that won't be the case, but it sure has been with mine. I have also read a lot of good things about Dan Wesson guns, but have never shot one. They are made here by CZ.

Good luck man. Keep us posted!

This gun is the biggest P.O.S. I have ever bought in my life. I completely disassembled, buffed, cleaned and lubed it inside and the magazines feed lips also I buffed and cleaned. I now have a 9mm live rd jammed in the barrel that will not eject as the rail will not slide back to eject it. I have the safety on and now a live loaded gun in my house that is unusable. I called Springfield today and the lady said they have had No problems with these guns and I told her I am reading everywhere on the internet about the FTF issues and she acted like she had no idea. I was emailed a return label but how the hell can I return a live loaded gun to the manufacturer?

 

Did you call the number on the email?

Yeah several times starting at the 8 week mark.

17 weeks and counting.